The .35-caliber cartridges usually top out at 250 grains, though if a 300-grain bullet at a slightly faster twist rate were employed, it would certainly be in the same class as the .375 Holland & Holland. The M700 has been a popular action for building a rifle in .358 STA, a wildcat based on the 8mm Remington Magnum. But there is another Rigby cartridge, vastly overlooked even among rifle cranks, but which was at one time as popular as the .375 H&H Magnum: the .350 Rigby Magnum. However, the majority of American deer hunters dont live in elk country, but many dream of going elk hunting. Your rifle is your most important hunting tool, and knowing how to properly clean and store it when hunting season comes to a close is critical in keeping it in tip-top shape. Faster 6.5sthe new 6.5 PRC, the old .264, or the super-fast .26 Nosler and 6.5-300 Weatherbywill deliver more energy and open the range envelope a bit. This was not the factory bullet from the 1960s, with its mild-steel jacket, but a later one. I have become a 35 cal. 10 GA. The .338-inch fans cite the advantage of the higher sectional density figures, while the .358-inch camp favors the better frontal diameter of the larger bore. If the .350 Rigby Magnum was effective in the golden era of safari, modern premium bullet designs will make it even better. The Norma factory load, with Normas own 250-grain bullet, performed poorly, coming apart in the chest cavity. of energy at the muzzle. The ammunition hung on a while longer, but eventually Big Green abandoned her babies and stopped making both cartridges. in the Big Bore Model 94. The 25-degree, 30-minute shoulder gives plenty of room for powder, and though the neck of the .358 Norma measures less than the desired one-caliberit comes in at 0.328-inchthere is plenty of neck tension to hold the bullets in place without the need for crimping. Copyright 2003, 2012 by Chuck Hawks. The H-4895 load given in the table is not from any manual but was worked up with the assistance of Hodgdon ballistician Ron Reiber. The nearest of any to the .358 Norma was the .35 Newton, which it closely resembles. Mag., and I think thats the only current production rifle in that cartridge. And for the larger antelope species, like any of the eland, wildebeest, zebra and roan, the .350 Rigby Magnum is a sound choice. A monster buck is different from a fork-horn or a fat doe. He never questioned the adequacy of his .270 for elk, nor do I, but he was also a lifelong .30-06 fan and privately conceded its superiority for elk-sized game. I don't hunt Kodiac island nor elephants so utilizing the 06 case to build an elk rifle, lower 48 grizzly country rifle works for me. Honestly, Ive taken as many elk with the .30-06 as with any other cartridge, and the farthest at 350 yards was no problem. The original Schultz & Larsens were sold without iron sights, and they were installed on my rifle afterward. of muzzle energy. [1] Head to the range this week with American Rifleman staff as they discuss a trim little repeater from Savage Arms that comes chambered for the .22 WMR cartridge. Many western hunters annually take elk with 6mms and .25s. But in 2003 Remington decided to attempt a resurrection. I will go with the 35 Whelen BUT 9.3x62 will be cool due that you already have a 350 Rem mag, if you're opening the bolt face the 358 STA better option than Norma and 338-06 could be a nice choice too. This stumpy little cartridge was introduced to the hunting public in 1908 and is the only surviving member of the early class of Remington rimless cartridges. i have a 35 whelen and love it. Looking for previous installments of our "Behind the Bullet" series? 9.3x62 boots 320gr Woodleigh protected points and weldcore round noses out at 2400 fps with RL-17. I believe in quality optics, but quality and magnification are not synonymous. Most were intended for .38-caliber handguns, but any bullet made for either the .38 Special or .357 Magnum can be loaded and shot in the .358 Norma Magnum with varying degrees of success. and the .32 Win.
Behind the Bullet: .358 Norma Magnum - An Official Journal Of The NRA On June 26, 1959, Sweden's Ingemar Johansson demolished Floyd Patterson in the third round of their first heavyweight title fight in New York. With a 200-grain bullet the .35 Whelen actually shoots a bit flatter than the .30-06 Sprg. Mention the Rigby name to any rifle aficionado, and odds are that the famous .416 Rigby cartridge will come quickly to mind, and with good reason; it is an undeniable classic. in an 8.5 pound rifle, is comparable to the much more popular but less effective (on CXP3 class game) .300 Weatherby or .300 Remington Ultra Magnums. With such a variety of bullets, you would think the skys the limit in terms of different loads, but there are other factors to consider. However, the optimum game range of the .358 (250 grain bullet at a MV of 2300 fps) is 240 yards. Shaw rifle's 24-inch barrel.. At 300 yds., the .358 Norma impacts only 0.96" lower than the .300 Win. There is certainly no lack of .358-inch diameter bullets to choose from but brass is limited. Thinking of a medium bore with a bit of thump.9.3 x 62 holds some exotic mystique for me being its use on African large game but I am thinking realistically .366 cant be that much of an advantage over .358 can it? This raises the obvious question: Why, with so many modern cartridges around of more or less equal power, chambered in readily available rifles, is there this lingering interest in, and loyalty to, the .358 Norma? Out of stock View Details . It is a good choice for shooters who are very sensitive to recoil, since its free recoil energy is only about 4.5 ft. lbs.
5 Forgotten .35-Caliber Cartridges. Are They Doomed? - Field & Stream Elk hunting can be extremely physicalnot only steep country, but also altitude and sometimes deep snow to buck. I did secure properly head stamped Norma cases thinking we'd need them going over into the Yukon (no one ever checked). into the deer woods, and I pine for what could have been. The .350 Remington Magnum is the only cartridge that appears on both lists of current and obsolete calibers. It was recovered in bits and pieces. The hunter from afar, journeying into unfamiliar country, must also accept the pressure of a limited period of time and the knowledge that it may come down to just one chance. It will kill farther than that, of course, but that is its optimum range. I bought it as a moose rifle but never got drawn in ten years. Quite honestly, the .350 Rigby isnt a cartridge Id describe as practical, but if you are looking for something quite left of center, this may be for you. The cartridge is closely related to the .308 Norma Magnum. The .45-70 is another very popular cartridge. loaded with a 180-grain Oryx bullet to the .358 Norma Mag. The .350 Magnum has a case length of 2.742 inches, and an overall cartridge length 3.44 inches, so it will feel at home in a magnum-length receiver. The .358 Norma Mag. When chambered for cartridges such as the .243 Win., 6 mm Rem., .308 Win.
.35 Whelen: The Poor Man's Magnum - Big Game Hunting Blog Sierras 225-grain spitzer boat-tail, designed for the .35 Whelen, is a stellar performer in the .358 Norma. The .35 Whelen fires a larger .358 bullet and is therefore right at the cusp of being a big game caliber and is capable of handling everything except . a good brush buster and good to 300 yards. Moving down a notch and comparing the .35 Whelen (250 grain bullet at a MV of 2400 fps) to the .30-06 (220 grains at 2410 fps), which have nearly identical case capacity, we find that the optimum game range (OGW) on 1000 pound animals is 10 yards for the .30-06 and 100 yards for the .35 Whelen. The .358 Norma Magnum is a rifle cartridge introduced in 1959 by Norma. Compare the .308 Winchester and the .358 Winchester, which are based on the same case, and the .358 wins hands down. Publisher Kevin Steele is in the Beretta booth with Logan Killam, the Shotgun Product Manager, to discuss the all new Beretta A300 Ultima Turkey. In the 80s, when Jack Carter was making his Trophy Bonded Bearclaw bullet by hand, I did some elk hunting with the 240-grain .375 version. If we compare the .300 Win. Lyman lists 47 different moulds that were available at one time or another, ranging in bullet weight from 70 to 282 grains. But have owned multiple 9.3s and Whelens. For the one perfect all-around elk rifle, Im not sure you can beat the good old .30-06.
.358 Norma N/A Centerfire Rifle Ammo For Sale at Classic Firearms As a result of all this activity, .358-inch diameter jacketed rifle bullets are available in a wide range of weights and styles, from 150-grain semipointed to 200- grain roundnose, all the way up to 310 grains for the heaviest game. This is a particularly apt comparison because the re-introduced .350 is available in the Remington Model Seven rifle, which is also offered in .300 short magnum calibers. As well, most bullet manufacturers produce soft, 200-grain roundnosed bullets intended for the .35 Remington, and these fit a wide range of uses. The barrel is a full 22 inches, like it always should have been, but the foolish design with the huge shark fin front sight turned hunters off, and it was dropped. Coming from me, this conclusion may shock you, so let me give you another surprise. Blocker Outdoors Finisher gloves, headcovers and other accessories are available in Mossy Oak Bottomland and Mossy Oak Obsession NWTF camouflage patterns to match various turkey hunting terrain. .500 Nitro Express. One can almost hear the echoes of Norma Mag. Spl. zero-we see that contrary to popular belief, a 35-caliber can be a long-range cartridge. They truly were ahead of their time, as they were short magnums back when being a short magnum wasnt cool. Recoil was completely manageable, and it inspired me to begin the journey of having my own .350 Rigby rifle built. There are places where .22 centerfires are legal for elk. of muzzle energy. There have been many others, such as the .35-30 Maynard (both in the 1865 and the 1882 versions) and .35-40 Maynard. The .350 can drive a 250 grain bullet to a MV of 2500 fps. Although such weight is rare, a big bull can exceed 1,000 pounds. I have used the .35 Whelen on critters from bobcats to moose. The .358 Norma established its reputation in high-end hunting rifles like this Schultz & Larsen Model 65DL. Elk bullets must be tough enough to provide adequate penetration. . Not necessarily top dollar everything. But they are not essential, and despite their effectiveness, all magnums from .30 caliber upwards generate more recoil than many folks are comfortable withand are able to shoot well. Im voting no. This year, H&R announced an expansion of its AR-15 lineup, bringing additional "retro" models to the market, including a 9 mm Luger-chambered Colt SMG clone, an M16A2-styled rifle and the carbine-size 723. This is because it was discontinued in the mid-1970s, and reintroduced by Remington in 2003. Sometimes you get a point-blank shot; other times you need to stretch it a bit farther. By coincidence, in that same year, Norma Projektilfabrik of Sweden introduced its own heavyweight champion, the .358 Norma Magnum. Alas, to the best of my knowledge, its not imported to the U.S. Does the power of the magnum offer much over the whelen in real life terms? Would be nice to have a 35 Wheelie, 350 Rem and a .358 Win. Choose at least medium weight for caliber: 140 grains in 6.5mm and the lighter 7mms; 140 and 150 grains in .270s; 150 to 160 grains in faster 7mms; 165 or 180 grains in .30 calibers. G. Joined: Sep 2009. The full spectrum of our many 7mms, from 7mm-08 and 7x57 on up to the fastest 7mm magnums, are also fine, but they are not magical giant-slayers. Its safe to say that of all the .358 Norma Magnum rifles in existence, there are more custom than factory ones, and this makes it tricky to load for in another way. I believe it never will. was also the only cartridge of that original Remington family that was based on a different parent case. It is easy to forget that the .358 bore comes in an extremely varied range of twist rates from 1:16 to 1:12. Contributor Brad Fenson takes to the grill, to cook up some delicious venison burgers. with a 250-grain Oryx bullet-both with a 200-yd. Mag. Give a Gift
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Hunting Shack .35 Whelen N/A Centerfire Rifle Ammo With such a wide range of both cast and jacketed bullets available, and todays variety in powders, the .358 Norma has an embarrassment of riches when it comes to load possibilities. Also, many of these hunters have the luxury of a long season close to home. For a while Savage chambered it in the Model 99, and I am still looking for one I can afford. X-Vision Optics long-range ImpactThermal Scope (TS300) boasts a 640 x 480 thermal sensor that can detect big game well past 3,000 yards. The 6.5mm Creedmoor and the old 6.5x55 are sound minimal choices, adequate to 300 yards. in its NoslerCustom line with a 225-grain Partition bullet at 2550 f.p.s.
Campfire 'Bwana. Clearly, for the hunter seeking heavy game and willing to accept this level of recoil, the .358 Norma Magnum deserves far more popularity than it has received. Throw a belt on the .35 Newton and you couldnt tell the difference three feet away. None of this can be said for either the .338 Winchester Magnum or the .375 H&H. I wont be ashamed to take it elk hunting, but today Im certain that level of power is not essential. For the next year, comparisons were inevitable between Johanssons Hammer of Thor and the .358s powerful 250-grain bullet. from my E.R. As it stands, it is most certainly on the edge of becoming obsolete. [/quote]. as a way to boost the power of the Model 94 lever-action rifle. Meanwhile, the .358 Norma fizzled, for lack of a better term, because rifles were not readily available, ammunition was expensive and hard to get, and it found itself in direct competition with one of the great American cartridges of the twentieth century, Winchesters .338 Magnum. Nosler has three loads in its Custom line. This new model featured two new cartridges, the .350 Rem. That version is in some dispute, with evidence that Whelen himself developed the cartridge or at least worked with Howe on its development. By Layne Simpson. Maybe I'll just get a 375 H+H instead of going the Norma route. Real world, the Norma bitchslaps brown bears and moose as convincingly as the 375H&H. was simply a .308 Win. is on the threatened list, this one is on a path to extinction. So if you have a .375 (or larger) and a yen to take it elk hunting, be my guest. Of course, it took the .338 Winchester Magnum many years to catch on, and it took the .243/6mm cartridges over a half century after the introduction of the 6mm Lee Navy cartridge to gain popular acceptance, so perhaps there is still hope for the .35's. Ive seen many elk taken cleanly with a .270 Winchester, and my own longest shot on an elk was on a big New Mexico bull at 400 yards using a .270 Winchester with a 150-grain Nosler Partitionone step and down. In 1968 the 600 Magnum was replaced by the Model 660 Magnum, which featured a 20-inch barrel, but it was never a big seller, and Remington dropped the rifles.
35 whelen vs 358 norma mag vs 9.3 x 62 - 24hourcampfire All Petersen's Hunting subscribers now have digital access to their magazine content. The .35 Rem. In the shooting sports we call that reaction recoil or "kick." I took it to Texas in 1989 and decked a nilgai at about 90 yards. The experimentation with the H&H cases, first by Weatherby and later by Winchester and Remington, certainly changed the way we hunted and made our purchases; magnum mania definitely took root.
Head to Head: .358 Winchester vs. .350 Remington Magnum | An Official 358 Norma Magnum | AfricaHunting.com And those sentiments can be an awful lot of fun. Today, it is strictly a custom proposition unless one of the original rifles chambered for it can be found. If you match the bullet to the game, this is one of the all-time great hunting cartridges. Kevin Steele of Petersen's HUNTING is at the Streamlight booth at SHOT Show 2023 to go over the Bear Trap light from Streamlight. Mag. I did kill a ton of squirels with pistol bullets and a little 700X, it would shoot little cloverleafs at 50 yrds. Perhaps thats how it should be, the masses rarely embrace true greatness. Hunting Shack 358NORMA2N Game King 358 Norma 225 gr Sierra GameKing Spitzer Boat-Tail - 20rd Box. Our editors have hand-picked these essential pieces of gear to make you a more successful hunter when you hit the game trails this season.
11 Great .338 Caliber Rifle Cartridges - Shooting Times An elk offers a large target, so extreme magnification shouldnt be necessary. My 35 Whelen will run 250gr partitions at 2700 fps with power pro 2000 powder. I was used to the 30-06 parent cases (.270, 25-06, etc) so that is what I decided on. THe 35 whelen did have a little more power than the 358. That 225-grain bullet has a sectional density (SD) value of 0.251, a bit light for what is normally considered to be appropriate for dangerous game. Is the .358 Norma Magnum a cartridge destined to make a huge comeback? Too bad Ingemar Johansson was not so well equipped. Remington loads a 200-grain PSP Core-Lokt bullet at a muzzle velocity of 2775 f.p.s. It can be the ballistic equivalent of the .30-06 with a 180-grain bullet or, pushed the other way, it can easily match the velocity of the .300 Weatherby Magnum with the same weight bullet. They live in steep, rough country, and their long legs cover a lot of ground. Theres also a mindset difference. Its a flat shootermimicking the trajectory of a .30-06 with heavier bulletsand is fully capable as an all-around choice. Hunting Shack 35WHELEN1N Game King 35 Whelen 225 gr Sierra GameKing Spitzer Boat-Tail - 20rd Box. However, Winchesters .338 Magnum proved to be the darling of not only those bound for the 49th state, but for those hunting elk and moose at lower latitudes. lbs. The quest for an acceptable .35 has inspired such impotent wastes as the .35 Winchester Self Loader, once labeled a candidate for the title: Worlds Most Useless Center-Fire Rifle Cartridge.. So, I've hunted elk with less ambitious rounds. Griffin & Howe developed the semiwildcat .350 G&H based on the .375 H&H case, as well as pioneering the .35 Whelen. Particularly when you consider that every one of those newer short magnum cartridges burns more powder to achieve less killing power than the .350 Rem. There was a time when I questioned the adequacy of the .270 for elk. The main problem with such potent cartridges is that they kick hard in rifles light enough to carry all day in steep places. They are a little short initially and after two firings they were just fine. Is there a way to find out what year it is by serial #? With the 250-grain bullet, it's better than the .30-06 on heavy game at close ranges. No matter if its books, art or hunting cartridges, its only those with a deep understanding of the subject who can fully understand the greatness often buried in obscurity. The most popular cartridges for hunting and even target shooting begin and end with the thirties. Mag. The .35 Whelen is a powerful medium-bore rifle cartridge that does not require a magnum action or a magnum bolt-face.
.35 Whelen - Wikipedia and a 250-grain Partition load with a muzzle velocity of 2550 f.p.s. Thats the primary game for many of us, but one size doesnt fit all. It put an exclamation point on that lung shot. Cartridges of .25 caliber and below are not ideal elk cartridges, especially if a big bull is a potential.
.358 Winchester: King Of The .35 Calibers - Gun Digest And with modern powders and loads, it knocks on the door of the .300 WSM and .300 Winchester Magnum. I own several rifles in this cartridge and all my .35 Whelen rifles are accurate. Well, it betters the velocity of the .35 Whelen by at least 200 fps, much the same as the .338 Winchester Magnum does to the .338-06. Thats a question I just dont understand. At the same time, it will do almost everything the .375 will but with vastly more versatility. For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction; that is one of the physical laws of our universe. It is, as you say, a thumper. From the Green Goblin (a bolt-action rifle I built on a Remington action), both will produce groups that are sub-minute-of-angle. But in my experience, if you can cover that 300-yard window with confidence youre in good shape. As it was released in the first century of the . Out of stock View Details . Layne Simpson did an article on the comparison of the two and it was reprinted in Big Bore Rifles and Cartridge ISBN 1-879356-00-7. The .35 Win., .35 Newton and .350 Griffin & Howe Mag. The recent introduction of a Hornady LeverEvolution factory load for the .35 Remington has usefully improved its ballistics. I was wrong. The .35 (.358) caliber has never really gotten a serious toehold here, although the occasional item like the .35 Whelen, .350 Remington Magnum, or .358 Winchester roils the waters every now and again. If you handload your ammunition, it will make feeding a .358 Norma that much easier, just realize you wont find ammunition at a general store, or even at most gun shops, for that matter. But starting in the late 1950s, the .338 bore size gained considerable tractionthanks to the emergence of the .338 Winchester Magnum. Trust me, you could do worse, but youll be hard-pressed to do better! During the spring conservation order, you can hunt with outfitters from Arkansas to Saskatchewan. Heres how to avoid the poseurs and choose the right one. So are the .350 Remington Magnum and .358 Norma Magnum. It is capable of driving a. With its spitzer-pointed bullets, the .358 is a good medium- to long-range cartridge with capabilities out to 250 yards on big game. and .32 Rem. Moderate, safe, bland and predictable. Actual weight depends on subspecies, nutrition, and age, but 600 pounds is a good starting point for grownup bulls and twice the size of an unusually large deer. The .35 Rem. Compare practically any small bore cartridge (.32 caliber or less) with a .35 caliber cartridge of similar powder capacity and the result is pretty much the same. But perhaps youre not after thick-skinned dangerous game. Twenty years ago, I might have said .338 Winchester Magnum was the perfect choice for elk. At 400 yds., the .358 Norma impacts 3.1 inches lower than the .300 Win. It, as you know, can be loadeddown to be a 35 Whelen but the reverse is not true. Kali Parmley, Editor-in-chief of Bakccountry Hunter speaks with Bret Maffet of Franchi Firearms to discuss the all new Momentum All Terrain Elite. This list gives some idea of the .358 Normas status today: Those rifles rarely seem to come on the market. Heres a detailed look at each step of the process.
.35 Caliber Cartridges - CHUCKHAWKS.COM I would never argue that a .243 Winchester with a good bullet placed well, or certainly a .25-06 with a tough, heavy bullet, cant do the job. were to go head to head with the .25-35 Win., .30-30 Win. in a rimmed cartridge that would work in a lever-action rifle. Tried and true. The .356 Win. Released in 1959though there were no factory chambered rifles or factory loaded ammunition available for the new cartridgeNorma offered chamber reamers and new component brass for its new brainchild. 200-grain bullet to almost 2500 f.p.s. The major problem with light loads is getting enough pressure to provide a good gas seal. With cast bullets, A-5744 and Trail Boss are usually the best choices, although H-4895 is a good powder for midvelocity hunting loads. That being said, with much wider availability, and the higher . Had the .358 Norma Magnum been chambered in an American rifle, or at least promoted by an American company, the popularity of the cartridge may have been much greater than it is.
.358 Norma Magnum - BallisticStudies.com Don't like Rugers much had my fill of them and now they are gone down the road. it is one nice gun and made for tight places. And, as any fan of the .35-caliber cartridges knows, there are quite a few bullet weights to choose from within the caliber.
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