Now if only I were calvinist/elect special to God himself I would have it made. But my hope is that over these 12 weeks we as a church will understand what are those distinct truths that all Christians in all places and at all times have believed. Lennie Briscoe: Law & Order: Trial by Jury: 2 (Trial by Jury) 282 (all Law & Order programs) 2004-12-28 Prostate . https://go.efca.org/sites/default/files/resources/docs/2014/05/efca_doctrinal_survey_and_summary_4.pdf. The precise and very appropriate name for the five point folks is GOMARISTS: https://blogs.thegospelcoalition.org/kevindeyoung/2012/09/14/how-did-we-get-the-canons-of-dort/, In 1610, the Arminian party issued a document called the Remonstrance, setting forth the Five Articles of the Arminians. Gomarus and others formed a Contra-Remonstrance party (Gomarists) to oppose the Arminians., The Contra-Remonstrance from Gomarists was submitted to the States of Holland in 1611. Access Petes Bible teaching and watch Christian teaching with your family, friends, or church. Baptists have historically distrusted supra-congregational authorities, but that comes with the cost of no recourse when things go wrong at the congregational level. The New Calvinists have made a theology to support those goals, but others have made very different theologies to accomplish that. And then not only do you have the Reformed group, you now have the Reformed Charismatic segment (e.g. God could have saved these people had he so desired, so dont give it another thought. Nobody goes to hell for not hearing the gospelall who respond to whatever little light they have will be given enough light to make heaven by being in Christ. And while I have heard different Calvinists reject a point or two if the five points I have not yet come across a Calvinist who has been critical of Calvins Institutes they all seem to praise it (JI Packer called it one of the wonders of the world: https://www.thegospelcoalition.org/blogs/justin-taylor/why-and-how-to-read-calvins-institutes/). Remember this: http://www.ibcberlin.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/bridge.pdf is all about making choices. The pastors words from their website say so very much about where they are headed: I know most Baptists do not have much experience with creeds and may even be hostile to the idea of creeds. It was a serious mistake in the long run, and it still is a serious mistake. Yeah. I was asking questions about the neo calvinism beliefs on the elect and their idea of salvation. Muff Potter: I guess these folks dont really believe in sola scriptura. Oh my gosh. As far as I can understand it, he uses the word evanescent to explain why some/many fall away as referenced by many portions of Scripture. He shared with the reporter a home video of a little boy being spanked, and all I could think of was Chantrys victims. I was wondering if she was related to Paul Cain, but it appears they have different last names. I dont think you would say that Lutherans worship Luther. Patti: I cant be bothered dealing with calvinism either. Yes, I was impressed by my pastors assurance that I didnt have to embrace the Westminster Confession. Many toss the U in the TULIP, holding election is according to foreknowledge rather than unconditional. Jerome: The precise and very appropriate name for the five point folks is GOMARISTS: Sounds like the name of an alien invasion force in a bad first-person-shooter. Lea: Generally speaking, I call people what they ask to be called. As to the church we held pretty close to E Y Mullins and Herschel Hobbs. (Of course, Luther might not care for where Lutheranism has gone, and for sure Wesley would have a bone or two to pick with some Wesleyans). Curtis C. Thomas It is one of the five points of Calvinism and is often linked with predestination. (1), Unconditional election is the Calvinist doctrine derived primarily from Augustinian 4th century Gnostic religious writings which states that God chose those whom he was pleased to bring to a knowledge of himself, not based upon any merit shown by the object of his grace and not based upon foreseen faith (especially a mere decisional faith). then why did He change His mind about the old covenant? This is what led to, as Max puts it, 90% of mankind rejecting it. In my very limited understanding of it, one cannot truly know who is part of the elect. That is why Calvinists still engage in missions and evangelism, albeit it seems rather pointless, since, according to them, God has everyone already sized up and selected anyway. Previously, he served as senior pastor of Bent Tree Bible Fellowship based in Carrollton, Texas. And they *all* involve some amount of picking and choosing passage X is more important than passage Y because of Z. A GiveSendGo was created for the family following the tragic accident that has raised nearly $350,000. Instead of perseverance of the saints, preservation. Not sure what youre saying here. We had fun! Few pursue this through to all of the horrible, logical conclusions, which most pastors attempt to keep hidden until the people are in too deep to escape. Both are right. Its nearly impossible to find any Calvinist, new or old, who can or will explain evanescent (vanishing) grace as detailed by Calvin in book 3 chapter 2 section 11 of his Institutes. Words were his thing, and of course they are better for starting or strengthening revolutionary movements than statues are. Southern Baptist Convention President J.D. Im just sayin if you think *your* theology isnt picking and choosing, youve got another think coming. What on earth is a 7-point Calvinist? I just asked a question about neo-calvinism beliefs on the elect and their idea of salvation. They have a very disturbing teaching you dont hear much about called Evanescent Grace, in which a reprobate (unsaved or unregenerate) person is led to think and feel they might be saved, but in the end they are not. Let me see if I understand the gospel according to J D. Lets ask him: 1. I met Jesus in Elmbrook as a five year old girl and daughter of the music minister there at the time. Todd posted a copy of Chantrys declaration of his financial resources. Nope They claim they do, but. Sorry, that just wont play. Take a lookand learn more about Gods abundant grace and love for you! Hi, I'm Pete Briscoe. Lily Rose: A person becomes a new calvinist, spends a lot of time in mission work or sabotaging local churches to promote neo calvinism in a vain attempt to reach the elect without any guarantee who that might be, and all the while fearing they might not be one of the elect themselves. Huge non-story. I can assure you that what is not biblical is sitting around bickering about finer points of theology when people are lost and going to Hell. (The Christian Post). SBC was founded prior to the Civil War by Calvinist slave-holders. What about those who never heard the message. It has caused many thinkers to leave Christianity all together. Yes, each person is accountable for their own decisions. For what it is worth, there are those who adhere to all five of the solas and are thus reformed but reject every last petal of the tulip, so are not Calvinist. He took at least a year off of ministry. We represented a number of different churches. well, I shouldnt go on. I have asked 4 Baptist pastors if they could please warn the church to this rising danger and not a single one wanted to touch it. You are in a position to influence through the clear teaching of scripture. Of course, when you have an authoritarian control freak you are going to have problems, whether you are calvinist or fundamentalist or any other thing. . Theologians have built in all those planks to keep it standing. Calvinism is never an issue to me. Very confusing. Some were historic premill, some amill, some postmill. The church is nondenominational and has woman pastors and elders. Calvinists do not understand the Doctrine of Carnal Christianity as described in I Corinthians 3:1-3. God, on the other hand . You sound like a voice of reason. On a side note, I wonder if former Mars Hill leader Bubba Jennings, who was BFF with Curry a few years back, still believes him rather than his victims. Its quite plain after reading that section in Calvins Institutes what he means. Otherwise, they will have torn the new garment . But now the Truly Reformed are staging THEIR coup and purge. Why would it be different for Calvinists? A few years back (2011) Justin Taylor wrote an article encouraging people to read old works and, specifically, The Institutes. But if you want to talk about not understanding just look at your last sentence. Pete briscoe was senior pastor of bent tree bible fellowship in carrollton, tx for nearly 30 years. "The Hall of Fame is fine," Alexander said, "but it doesn't mean bread and butter." Which is why I always say with a fair amount of assurance that most people are not consistent Calvinists; even those who consider themselves so. Cuz all that matters is my little echo chamber. I think I even heard a joke about wouldnt you rather be sure. I doubt Calvin arose out of the mist, unaided, to co-opt the Anabaptist resistance anymore than Mohler arose on his own to spearhead the conservative resurgence or a certain individual came to be the so-called leader of the free world. Oh, you mean theology. Henry McCarty "Billy the Kid" (1859 - 1881) Possibly the most famous outlaw of the Wild West is Billy the Kid. I see nothing in scripture which claims to be the whole story. He married a beautiful woman called Libby Briscoe. The differences are more theologically technical than practical/behavioral. Whenever we hear of dramatic rescues we never hear the people being rescued bragging about how they did it all on their own. Usernames peterbriscoe briscoepeter I praise the Lord I am sealed by the Holy Spirit forever and enjoy such a sweet assurance. Nick Bulbeck: In a spare 5 minutes once I downloaded a copy of Calvins Institutes of the christian religion from the interweb; opened it in Pages (i.e. But I cannot follow a cruel and capricious toddler. I think you are saying that you do not identify as a Calvinist. I believe that fervently. Caine and her husband are in charge of a denomination that has a number of churches around the world. Nopethat wasnt a typo unless they wrote it down incorrectly in the original article. The whosoever-will-may-come message that has been on the lips of Southern Baptists for the last 150 years is gradually being silenced by a new breed of pastors who dont preach it. Mostly Im saying dont tell people they worship calvin because they are Calvinists, when they dont put nearly as much emphasis on the man himself as the critics do. And by the way, it isnt as though Calvinists cant explain the meaning of evanescent grace. Now, this is an interesting one. Thank God for the faithful men of the SBC who expel such churches we can only be glad that these godly men are faithful enough to bicker over theology in order to defend Gods Word against the monstrous onslaught of the satanic power of satan. Pete grew up in a home with intelligent and committed parents: both dad and mom. This lie laid the foundation for Reformed Theology. Calvinism has much to disagree with, but lets disagree without assuming all Reformed are Calvinists. Max: Which is why 90+% of Christendom have rejected the tenets of reformed theology for the past 500 years. His passion for the New Covenant led him to teach highlights of the scandalous love of God, the finished work of Christ, as well as the beautiful grace that people experience through Jesus. When I think about it, I never saw a value provided for total SBC assets in my nearly 70 years as a Southern Baptist. Fv 27, 2023 . But Beinn Mheadhoin in the Cairngorms is pronounced, locally, as Ben May-n. Therein lies a problem in the heart of man, I think, the desire to be his own God which includes of course accepting no limits on just what that may mean in practice. Time will tell. In 2012, Greear answered this question, Pastor J.D., Are You a Calvinist?on his website. Ken F (aka Tweed): Here is a LCMS article that illustrates this. Im not a Lutheran. The EFCA has been doing it for decades. Stuart accepted a position as senior pastor of Elmbrook Church in suburban Milwaukee, Wisconsin, and the family relocated to the United States in 1970. Once upon a time in Germany, both Catholics and Lutherans had right belief coming out the wazoo. I am reading Shelby Foote three volume set on the Civil War,,,,, things were not rosy back then either.the volumes are not discussing pedos, obviously, but there was plettly of sin to go around back then. dee: They all have names like *Relevant*, etc. There are certain philosophical issues to be resolved, not all of the proposed resolutions being calvinistic determinism. Sure, you can call yourself whatever you like; but if you do not meet the official or most commonly agreed upon definition of the term, you are either an idiot or a deceiver. You might think its a non-story until it happens to you, then perhaps youll care! Are you only elect if you become a neo-calvinist? It is illicit men who seek by their error to promote another theological religious system, another gospel who create confusion within Christs body and bring such horrendous alienation. 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