James E. Woods Lisa, could you read this quote from him? Barry:He is eventually recognized by the Nazi government in 1936, both because of his work in the sterilization area, but also because he was a major proponent of the so called Racial Integrity Laws, the laws that prohibited people from being married if they were from different races. You'd, you'd just hope you didn't cross over with him on any committees. Senior Producer: Mariel Carr Search the history of over 797 billion 5639 episodes The precursor to all the daytime talk shows that arose during the 1980's and 90's. Phil Donahue's show started off similar to other shows of its day, featuring celebrities and musical acts, Barry:One day walking on the street, it was a beautiful spring day, and I was daydreaming, and unbeknownst to me, two boys run up behind me, and one of them just punched me in the back, sent me flying, you know, stars, and, you know, and then, then they run on. Audio Engineer: Jonathan Pfeffer. That is that your genes, your genetics, determine not only your biological makeup but your character, personality, intelligence level, and so on. 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News archive:Some of the ideas found in the book, the bell curve are not new. WebPhil Donahue was born on December 21, 1935 in Cleveland, Ohio, USA. Phil Donahue, in full Phillip John Donahue, (born December 21, 1935, Cleveland, Ohio, U.S.), American journalist and television personality who pioneered the daytime issue-oriented TV talk show. After he lost a key New York outlet and KNBC-TV Channel 4 in Los Angeles announced it would not be renewing the show, he decided to quit rather than be canceled. So this guy was a revered physicist at Stanford. "I realized during the commercials that these people in the audience were asking better questions than I was. 5 (May, 1992) Improving Our Image Powerpoint Our Sorority Issue 15 (April 1987) Phyllis Frye and Phil Donahue TV Guise Vol. Lisa:Okay. It's from an interview he did in Playboy Magazine. 7 (July, 1991) Cross-Port InnerView, Vol. Signed, photo. Barry:I took the racists seriously and I listened directly to them, and what I would simply do is, um, I would join. WebEmployment at the Library & Archives. Rigo:Right. Barry:We had DEFCON levels at my house, levels of security. They review each other's books, they write for each other's journals, so it creates a kind of universe, academic universe within a bubble that outside the bubble, no one takes them seriously, but inside the bubble, they can have a resume that looks rather impressive. It's almost like, uh Like a racist Santa Claus. He was a legend in Silicon Valley. So, Lisa, I know that you've done some research on eugenics because we've done other episodes that touch on it. Los Angeles - 1985 - Janet Leigh Jamie Lee Curtis.mp4. It was part of his insecurity, but the data for this was so stupid. Innate Themecomposed by Jonathan Pfeffer. Donahue:and a big and larger genitals mean more promiscuity. Lisa:So this is kind of a David and Goliath situation, Guggenheim Fellow versus academic underdog. Lisa:I appreciate how clearly Barry Mehler gets to the heart of the issue. All views expressed by interviewees are theirs alone and not necessarily those of the Television Academy. Essentially, it gave racists a cover story. To me, it seems like he's trying to present himself as a reasonable, well spoken guy who's just asking questions, all in the name of academic curiosity, of course. Uploaded by Lisa:So, and this is really just personal curiosity, what about Barry Mehler? He was inspired by Hans F. K. Gnther, the Third Reich's most prominent race scientist. TELEVISION ACADEMY and ACADEMY OF TELEVISION ARTS & SCIENCES are registered trademarks of ATAS. Ultimately, the Holocaust showed the world the inevitable consequences of eugenics, and there was a great moral reckoning, which led to in agreement about race and race science. He started researching eugenics in grad school, and his methods were not typical to say the least. Unquote. And you're a Neo Nazi and he added you back. And it was a dramatic transformation. By being the first and most vocal critical of The Pioneer Fund and neo Nazis, it made him a target. Barry's Jewish identity was visible to everyone all the time. They are acutely aware that they're talking about the survival of the white race the same way as we talk about the survival of the polar bears, you know, and of the whales, and of the elephants. Rigo:Yeah. Find out all the details of his life Lisa:That makes sense. Barry:I had to really refrain from, um, speculating on Phil Rushton's penis size, but here was a guy who, "They may have bigger penises, but I've got a bigger brain." Lisa:Because they don't want to take credit for their deeply held beliefs in public. The Phil Donahue Show with John Wayne (1976) John Wayne appears on a 1976 episode of Donahue in front of an audience largely populated by women, and he Barry:Most people had this view that we were making progress, that everything was getting better, and that World War II was just another move on the road towards progress, and I really didn't see it that way. Lisa:Ah, the infamous William Shockley. First, on the idea front. The result: Donahue, the longest running syndicated talk show in television history with its 29 year on-air reign. This is Bill Tucker. And so you know where his head's at. The Bell Curve was one of The Pioneer Fund's greatest hits for two reasons. That's amazing amount of territory to traverse when you are one of the leading fascist academic and organizers in the world. He seemed to be enamored of his Army experience, and that was his primary identification all his life, especially since he never really had a job of any sort. VHS Collectors Rigo: In 1935, before the Pioneer Fund is official, Laughlin sends Wycliffe Draper to a eugenics academic conference in Berlin. By downloading this file you agree to our access conditions and use restrictions. Donohue:if you're going to present a thesis, which places uh, places are race at the bottom of the IQ. Who's funding him? on the Internet. Barry:It was apparent to me that we were putting on a show, and that I was part of this show, and I was performing a- an important task for the racist platform because they couldn't do it without me. Bill:I figured, okay. Rigo:Close. So which is bigger, long or fat. Jensen was willing to take a stand, and he knew what he was doing. Phillip John Donahue (born December 21, 1935) is an American media personality, writer, film producer, and the creator and host of The Phil Donahue Show. His television program, later known as Donahue, was the first talk show format that included audience participation. The show had a 29-year run on national television in America He accuses Mehler of character assassination, bias, and of being a left wing nut. on May 24, 2022, https://mytvlog.blogspot.com/2010/03/phil-donahue-show-1970-tv-series-1970.html, There are no reviews yet. Rigo:Right, and Murray and his coauthor also credited Richard Lynn for providing expertise on the book. Rigo:Right, exactly. 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[Description and dates], Hagley ID, Box/folder number, MCI Communications Corporation records (Accession 2225), Manuscripts and Archives Department, Hagley Museum and Library, Wilmington, DE 19807, Access to this item is provided for educational and research purposes only. This is taken from a "Classic Donahue" rerun in 1996. The Czech army officers have more conference penises. Rigo:So this incident sent Mehler on a path. Rigo:One way that the Mankind Quarterly differs from other journals is their use of pseudonyms, which I'm guessing is it not normal in academia? Barry:I want you to know that it was extremely important to me to make the connection to Nazis because that's what people understood. Please tell me someone noticed that this was happening. Rigo:The Pioneer Fund only cared about upholding white supremacy. I mean, it's just like the whole nature of the argument, you really want to take the most vulgar, racist argument and dress it up with the most foolish threadbare data points in order to make the claim that, that Black people have large genitalia and small brains. And the whole thing in a way does confirm what Barry Mehler had an inkling of since he was a boy. And I thought, "Wow, this is terrific." I want my name to be associated with my work. And that's one of the things that The Pioneer Fund was able to do was to create outlets so that they could publish, they could review each other, they could support each other, and they could create this sense that this is a legitimate academic enterprise when, in fact, in the legitimate academic world, nobody was even aware that they existed. You have a position at Johns Hopkins. So a '90s race scientist has come to the Phil Donahue Show. I mean, I annoyed them a lot, and so, the- they're calling up civil rights groups, the people that might know me, and trying to, uh, get information, and they said this in their investigation, you know, uh, for a possible lawsuit. Rigo:So Laughlin comes up with their first endeavor. This was also done to make it seem like there were more race scientists than there actually were. It doesn't care if it's good science, certainly, and you don't have to be the most productive academic in the world to get money from them. He originally thought any difference in intelligence Black and white people were from environmental factors, but after working with Shockley, Jensen started arguing that intelligence was inherited. Quality varies and some episodes may not be complete. Bill:In general, Pioneer funded two different groups of recipients. They made a lot of anonymous donations, or passed the money through foundations and non profits. It was interesting to learn that they would Draper would send them, like, Christmas presents basically, like literal, like, "Here's $50. Uploaded by Rigo: Barry Mehler's TV appearances made Roger Pearson furious. Uploaded by I really hope this will be of interest to you." Rigo:They were very entangled. Due to a planned power outage on Friday, 1/14, between 8am-1pm PST, some services may be impacted. I mean, that's some classic, "Oh, at least these guys tell it how it is." That is the foundation for the claims that African-American people on average are intellectually inferior to whites. Rigo:Yeah. We're losing. Here's money we'll send you. And I wasn't just calling them Nazis, I was putting out a context to show that this was a fascist endeavor, and that these people were not only Neo Nazis, but they were just old fashioned Nazis, and I think that it was one of the reasons why they hated me so much. They weren't seeing the things that Barry was seeing, so Mehler goes down the rabbit hole of white supremacist literature, and what he finds shocks him even more. Barry:They're the ones who are winning. This was everywhere, [laughs] uh, while I was growing up. His guest for the episode was Charles Murray, who co-authored the 1994 book, The Bell Curve. Rigo:Arthur Jensen in particular got more than a million dollars from them. He explains how his journey took him from announcing television news at KYW in Cleveland, Ohio, to working in a bank in Albuquerque, New Mexico, to directing radio news in Adrian, Michigan. Their desire is to have a platform to disseminate their ideas, and we would be giving them platform if we allow them to speak to here. So, what it suggested was that Draper and Pioneer really took the initiative in every case, and reached out to these people, and tried to subsidize them once it realized that these were people who were doing things that would be of interest to Pioneer's agenda. He's an academic like Rushton, but less prestigious. Rigo:It's called The Pioneer Fund, and over the years, it has bankrolled dozens of race scientists and other academics who push these kind of views. Lisa:It's also stunning to me that when Barry Mehler investigates The Pioneer Fund in the 1980s, they're still pushing the exact same ideas, and the exact same framing as they were in 1937. on the Internet. Especially of the southern, southern states in the United States had this one drop rule. Rigo:So he actually publishes a lot, and one of the things he published was an article in a Nazi magazine. Rigo:Yes, and here's an example of that. Barry:They have their own printing presses, their own journals. WZZM:We begin tonight with that viral video filled with profanity made by a long time Ferris state university, professor. It makes me think of the Donahue interview with Rushton. It's like Rushton wants to dress it up in jargon so you don't notice how hateful the premise is, but Mehler just cuts right to the chase. What he's just been talking about. Subscribe to our quarterly newsletter for the latest Respectable scientists and academics were promoting these ideas, which is why Draper starts making friends in high up places in the eugenics world, and he kind of finds an ideological soulmate in a man named Harry Laughlin. How did people receive this? Lisa: Ah, charming. William Shockley wasn't really producing anything new with their money, and he had a really prickly personality, so when his character got in the way of the message, The Pioneer Fund actually cut him off. WebThe Phil Donahue Show All Episodes 1967 - 1994 Season 28 27 26 25 24 23 22 21 15 14 13 1 All Overview 54 Episodes IMDB TMDB TVDB Fanart.tv JustWatch Wikipedia So Cox, and Laughlin, and Draper all have a hand in this racist advocacy right up to the floor of, of the Senate, as well as over in Germany. Rigo:When Barry Mehler said guys like Philippe Rushton aren't just Neo Nazis, they're old fashioned Nazis, he was serious. The precursor to all the daytime talk shows that arose during the 1980's and 90's. If a white supremacist wanted to discredit what you have to say, they, they might say, "Barry Mehler is a unreliable narrator because look at what happened." Nobody wants to know that stuff, and nobody is really offended by it. The name calling incident was a rude awakening, but things would unfortunately get worse from there. Barry:I don't need to have credit. There's two things that were going on. Rigo:Draper's view stayed the same, but he knew enough to realize that the world's views had changed. Barry:Jerry Hirsch sued Roger Pearson, so we were able to get a deposition under oath, and I prepared a list for Jerry's attorney to simply ask, uh, Pearson, "Have you published under this name, this name, this name, this name?" Lisa:Hi, Rigo. Lisa:So they really do move underground. Phil Donahue's show started off similar to other shows of its day, featuring celebrities and musical acts, but he soon started pushing the envelope by discussing health and social topics previously considered taboo. Phil Donahue Show Transcripts | Wellcome Collection. The precursor to all the daytime talk shows that arose during the 1980's and 90's. Despite what most people would agree were really problematic endeavors, Pearson did not have trouble finding a job in academia. I'm curious about how you would respond to that. [laughs]. Although it was widely dismissed, it is still cited today as evidence that white people are smarter than Black people, and it's all biological. Used with permission. Barry:It's one thing to, you know You listen to, you hear some kind of quote from William Shockley, but then to see a full page, you know, layout in The Thunderbolt, I mean they were just overtly racist, and William Shockley was their hero. Distillations Podcast | February 21, 2023, innate_podart_900x600x300_episode6_bg.jpeg, Innate: How Science Invented the Myth of Race, National Endowment for the Humanities: Democracy demands wisdom, The American Breed: Nazi eugenics and the origins of the Pioneer Fund, The Funding of Scientific Racism: Wickliffe Draper and the Pioneer Fund, The New Eugenics: Academic Racism in the U.S. Today, The High-Flying, Death-Defying Discovery of Helium. It's kind of a misunderstanding, or a misuse of Darwin's theory of evolution, and it's actually interesting that it's Darwin's cousin, his half cousin, Sir Francis Galton, who really advocates for this idea of genetic determinism. Due to a planned power outage on Friday, 1/14, between 8am-1pm PST, some services may be impacted. Phil Donahue's show started off similar to other shows of its day, featuring celebrities and musical acts, Read allThe precursor to all the daytime talk shows that arose during the 1980's and 90's. Rigo:Yeah. To create this kind of intellectual continuity, this current that bridges the eugenics in the 1930s to the present day. Rigo:Yeah. He was the first person to really call them out publicly. They painted the swastika backwards." With Pioneer funding, he produced one of these strange extremist publication after another. Lisa:Welcome to Innate: How science invented the Myth of Race: This is episode three: Keepers of the Flame. 1 No. For example, when I went on the shows, you know, the audience was overwhelmingly on my side. Is he the psychologist whose work is cited in The Bell Curve? In fact, he spent his whole career going after people like Rushton, poking holes at their arguments, trying to get people to see them for what they really are, racist scientists. High quality topics, the wisdom of his years, masterful tactics in eliciting answers from guests and audience, crafty spontaneous, and at times - well timed pertinent flow of questions and inquiries, not self-opinionated, all these qualities that present talk-show hosts don't seem to have. It was much more prevalent in the earlier part of the 20th Century, but as it has become less and less popular among, uh, the academic mainstream, the few people who still adhere to it are those funded by Pioneer. It's been debunked a million times but we're still living with the legacies of these ideas. Rigo:Yeah. Mehler connected the dots. Scientists pushed back against this hard, but Murray still gets tons of attention from the press, and it gets legitimized. Lisa:I really take Mehler's point there. They had to have two talking heads, and, and somebody had to speak for the other side for them to get their message out, and not only did I understand that, but I don't think that we run this. Rigo:Exactly, and they develop a playbook to ensure their survival. Lisa:Ah, the pseudonym journal strikes again. Lisa:Not surprised to hear that they're not just spewing hateful ideas, they're acting on them. Episode 2 from the Innate: How Science Invented the Myth of Race series. Their last known grant was in 2019 to an organization based in Ohio whose president has written extensively about racial differences. How did people receive this? Barry:And he's endorsed by President Ronald Reagan, uh, right? People were throwing money at him. He started learning about the Klu Klux Klan, the right wing fascism and neo Nazis, and the thought about this stuff more and more until he reached a conclusion. You know, he's really surprised. TVRepeater So now my anti racism was, was visible, very visible. John Wayne appears on a 1976 episode of Donahue in front of an audience largely populated by women, and he discusses his life, his career, his stint as a singing cowboy, Ronald Reagan, impressionists, pornography, and much more. Lisa:All pretty common accusations that anyone who is coming against neo Nazis, even today. He was an avowed racist, and pretty public about it. on the Internet. Rigo:Exactly. WebFrom July 2002 to March 2003, Phil briefly hosted a talk show on MSNBC. Rigo:Mehler not only sent out his subscriptions, but he was also a due paying member of white supremacist organizations. They're on the frontier, you know, beating back the wilderness, um, killing off the Natives. 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